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== Ascension Address ==
 
== Ascension Address ==
:'''[https://blognomic.com/archive/metadynasty_no._9]'''
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:'''[https://blognomic.com/archive/metadynasty_no._9 Metadynasty No. 9]'''
  
I, Tantusar, as an Administrator of BlogNomic, have been directed by my Enactment of the Proposal “The “Table Flip” Endgame [No Victory]to declare a Metadynasty. This Metadynasty will begin immediately, with no theme.
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I, Tantusar, as an Administrator of BlogNomic, have been directed by my Enactment of the Proposal [https://blognomic.com/archive/the_table_flip_endgame <nowiki>The “Table Flip” Endgame [No Victory]</nowiki>] to declare a Metadynasty. This Metadynasty will begin immediately, with no theme.
  
 
==Players==
 
==Players==
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The following players were active at the end of the Dynasty:
 
The following players were active at the end of the Dynasty:
 
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Bais, Cuddlebeam, Darknight*, derrick*, Josh*, Jumble, Kevan*, pokes*, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Raven1207, Zyborg
 
:''(admins in bold and * throughout)''
 
:''(admins in bold and * throughout)''
  
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==Gamestate==
 
==Gamestate==
  
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* [[The Wheel]]
  
 
==Posts of Interest==
 
==Posts of Interest==
 
{{to be completed}}
 
{{to be completed}}
[https://blognomic.com/archive/spin_the_wheel Spin The Wheel] created the wheel, segments, wagers, and effects
 
  
[https://blognomic.com/archive/multi_bets Multi-bets] allowed Amnesiacs to bet on multiple segments
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=== Dynastic Rules ===
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''Proposals that significantly impacted the Dynastic Rules.''
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* '''[https://blognomic.com/archive/spin_the_wheel Spin The Wheel]''' was the first accepted proposal after the declaration of the Metadynasty. It defined the '''Wheel''', a game object consisting of various '''Segments''', each of which had an effect. As a daily action, players could "spin" the wheel, choosing a random segment which would award all players who had selected that segment as their '''Wager'''.
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* '''[https://blognomic.com/archive/multi_bets Multi-bets]''' built upon this idea by allowing Amnesiacs' wagers to include multiple segments.
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* '''[https://blognomic.com/archive/global_shares Global Shares]''' added another attribute to Segments: '''Global Effect'''. Whereas the Payout of a Segment would be applied individually to each player whose Wager included the Segment, the Global Effect would be applied only once and could affect anything in the game.
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=== Segments ===
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''Proposals that created, modified, or deleted segments. When the name of a segment is not specified below, that segment's name is the word in the proposal's title.''
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* '''[https://blognomic.com/archive/spin_the_wheel Spin The Wheel]''' added the first five segments alongside the creation of the Wheel.
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** '''[https://blognomic.com/archive/nutmegs_your_man Nutmeg's Your Man]''' randomized the Segment names, keeping true to the previously stated desires for random word generation to take a part in the dynasty. The names given were: '''Numbness''', '''Rimless''', '''Upturned''', '''Laziness''' and '''Manatee'''.
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* '''[https://blognomic.com/archive/26421_false 26421 false]''' added a segment that would change its Payout to that of a random other segment whenever spun.
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* '''[https://blognomic.com/archive/53632_shaft 53623 shaft]''' added a segment with no Payout and no Global Effect.
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* '''[https://blognomic.com/archive/46366_random 46366 random]''' added a segment that would apply the Payout of another random segment to each winner and that would apply a random segment's Global Effect.
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* '''[https://blognomic.com/archive/63556_unearned 63556 unearned]''' added a segment that lowered points by making each player's points equal to ''<nowiki>2*sqrt(|points|)</nowiki>'', a function that gradually gets smaller than its input.
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=== Core Rules ===
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''All proposals passed during this dynasty that made changes to the Core, Special Case, and Appendix rules.''
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* '''[https://blognomic.com/archive/term_limits_core Term Limits]''' fixed the Emperor/Player flavor text a bit by requiring that the new Emperor's choice of names for said terms be undefined in the rest of the ruleset.
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* '''[https://blognomic.com/archive/coping_with_changing_definitions_appendix Coping with changing definitions]''' fixed the reoccurring problem of the value of variables becoming invalid due to the rules changing by having all invalid values change to the default value for that variable.
  
 
==Ascension==
 
==Ascension==
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[[File:MetadynastyIXEndgame.png|thumb|The scene, today]]
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A [https://blognomic.com/archive/fermats_wager_victory proposal] was made to end the game with a weighted die roll that was presented as being equivalent to playing out the existing wheel-spin game until somebody attained 3 Plaques (Pokes and Kevan already having 2 each, and Jumble 1). Kevan won the roll.
  
 
==Commentary==
 
==Commentary==
  
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=== Trigon ===
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My commentary throughout this metadynasty can be found on its [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|talk page]].
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=== Cuddlebeam ===
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The dynasty is nearing its end and with the cat out of the bag of what I was doing, I'll give this a go.
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I started out really, really late. Shortly after I joined, two players had 2 Plaques, one off from winning, and I had none. So I aimed for a Pool - yet again! I keep on doing this shit, but there's a reason for it. I feel like dividing the game into the three win types really helps me quickly analyze what course of action I should take to win, even if its just these three pretty straightforwards options (or at least get some profit, like a mantle %):
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* Conventional Win?: I'm too far behind, not viable.
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* Scam Win?: Nothing good I can really grip onto in the dynastic ruleset. After three months and some change, it's just around 1k words! Very few chances for something to slip through. I couldn't find anything worth the bother.
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* Pooling Win / Mantle %: There are two ways for players to influence other player's gamestate and actions: imitating someone else's bets so that they can't earn a Plaque unless you concede it to them, and Distractions. So I went with this.
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By imitating Wagers, I had in mind to put a "bridge toll" sort of thing for the lead player to reach their win and between pokes and Kevan, Kevan seemed the most likely to achieve victory to me because of their greater experience and play vigor. So I imitated them. Knowing that Kevan often uses Proposals for their own gain which could try to pluck me out like the parasitic tick I was and that pokes has been warm to collaboration with me before, I allied with him for the mutual goal of keeping me imitating Kevan and help a bit with the votes: he gained because we might not reach an agreement and Kevan would be locked from winning until then, I gained because we might reach an agreement and I get my profit - both of these require me to stay imitating Kevan. So, yeah. Kevan did eventually make a [https://blognomic.com/archive/a_fumbled_chip Proposal] to get me off him as expected, and while it was easy to bring up a fair argument as to why that Proposal wasn't particularly appealing to the rest of the audience (because it locks them out of playing a good portion of the game, which isn't the funnest thing), I believe that having pokes appear with the support vote helped at least a bit especially because of how bandwagony voting tends to be (I bandwagon quite a bit too admittedly, often in this dynasty out of laziness and to get Proposals out of the queue).
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I didn't expect Kevan and pokes (and me) to end up so neck-and-neck in points here, but going for a Distraction attack seemed like a good option to go for to tiebreak the two leaders. I wasn't committed to any of the two yet (even if I was allied with pokes to fend off Kevan's usual Proposal plays, it was already explicit that I may end up making Kevan win), so I negotiated a bit with the two, and ended up going with pokes, and Distracted Kevan a bunch.
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And I missed all 3 of my Distractions. 12.5% chance of this absolute worst case scenario for my Distractions. Ugh, lol. -------17:41, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[[User:Cuddlebeam|Cuddlebeam]] ([[User talk:Cuddlebeam|talk]])
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=== Kevan ===
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That was interesting for making the core mechanic explicitly random from the start, and the idea that it was possible to propose a selfishly useful Wheel Segment in the hope it would get spun while it was still of any use to you, but I think we lost our way when we added a bunch of "at any time" mechanics which took the game back to faster-trigger-wins timing races, which we ultimately [https://blognomic.com/archive/kingbreaker seemed unwilling to step away from] (I assume because the lagging players felt that it was all they had left, and enough leading players were relying on those lagging players kingmaking them). The other problem of strategy-stealing was also [https://blognomic.com/archive/a_fumbled_chip apparently unremovable] through lack of incentives to.
  
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This was another lesson in why Metadynasties are a bad idea. When the test run for the [[Second Switch plans|Second Switch]] started to blur the status of this dynasty (were we playing to win, or just messing around before being switched off?), there was no Emperor to stand up and either make an announcement, or act as ambassador to the Second Switch players and sort something out. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] ([[User talk:Kevan|talk]]) 15:33, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
  
 
{{Dynastic Histories}}
 
{{Dynastic Histories}}

Latest revision as of 17:35, 8 September 2020

Bnmd9-small.jpg

26 May - 12 August 2020

Ascension Address

Metadynasty No. 9

I, Tantusar, as an Administrator of BlogNomic, have been directed by my Enactment of the Proposal The “Table Flip” Endgame [No Victory] to declare a Metadynasty. This Metadynasty will begin immediately, with no theme.

Players

The following players were active at the start of the Dynasty:

ais523, ayesdeeef, Clucky*, Darknight*, derrick*, The Duke of Waltham, Josh*, Kevan*, pokes*, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Tantusar*, Trigon

The following players were active at the end of the Dynasty: Bais, Cuddlebeam, Darknight*, derrick*, Josh*, Jumble, Kevan*, pokes*, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Raven1207, Zyborg

(admins in bold and * throughout)

Final Ruleset

Gamestate

Posts of Interest

(This list of significant dynastic events is currently incomplete.)

Dynastic Rules

Proposals that significantly impacted the Dynastic Rules.

  • Spin The Wheel was the first accepted proposal after the declaration of the Metadynasty. It defined the Wheel, a game object consisting of various Segments, each of which had an effect. As a daily action, players could "spin" the wheel, choosing a random segment which would award all players who had selected that segment as their Wager.
  • Multi-bets built upon this idea by allowing Amnesiacs' wagers to include multiple segments.
  • Global Shares added another attribute to Segments: Global Effect. Whereas the Payout of a Segment would be applied individually to each player whose Wager included the Segment, the Global Effect would be applied only once and could affect anything in the game.

Segments

Proposals that created, modified, or deleted segments. When the name of a segment is not specified below, that segment's name is the word in the proposal's title.

  • Spin The Wheel added the first five segments alongside the creation of the Wheel.
    • Nutmeg's Your Man randomized the Segment names, keeping true to the previously stated desires for random word generation to take a part in the dynasty. The names given were: Numbness, Rimless, Upturned, Laziness and Manatee.
  • 26421 false added a segment that would change its Payout to that of a random other segment whenever spun.
  • 53623 shaft added a segment with no Payout and no Global Effect.
  • 46366 random added a segment that would apply the Payout of another random segment to each winner and that would apply a random segment's Global Effect.
  • 63556 unearned added a segment that lowered points by making each player's points equal to 2*sqrt(|points|), a function that gradually gets smaller than its input.

Core Rules

All proposals passed during this dynasty that made changes to the Core, Special Case, and Appendix rules.

  • Term Limits fixed the Emperor/Player flavor text a bit by requiring that the new Emperor's choice of names for said terms be undefined in the rest of the ruleset.
  • Coping with changing definitions fixed the reoccurring problem of the value of variables becoming invalid due to the rules changing by having all invalid values change to the default value for that variable.

Ascension

The scene, today

A proposal was made to end the game with a weighted die roll that was presented as being equivalent to playing out the existing wheel-spin game until somebody attained 3 Plaques (Pokes and Kevan already having 2 each, and Jumble 1). Kevan won the roll.

Commentary

Trigon

My commentary throughout this metadynasty can be found on its talk page.

Cuddlebeam

The dynasty is nearing its end and with the cat out of the bag of what I was doing, I'll give this a go.

I started out really, really late. Shortly after I joined, two players had 2 Plaques, one off from winning, and I had none. So I aimed for a Pool - yet again! I keep on doing this shit, but there's a reason for it. I feel like dividing the game into the three win types really helps me quickly analyze what course of action I should take to win, even if its just these three pretty straightforwards options (or at least get some profit, like a mantle %):

  • Conventional Win?: I'm too far behind, not viable.
  • Scam Win?: Nothing good I can really grip onto in the dynastic ruleset. After three months and some change, it's just around 1k words! Very few chances for something to slip through. I couldn't find anything worth the bother.
  • Pooling Win / Mantle %: There are two ways for players to influence other player's gamestate and actions: imitating someone else's bets so that they can't earn a Plaque unless you concede it to them, and Distractions. So I went with this.

By imitating Wagers, I had in mind to put a "bridge toll" sort of thing for the lead player to reach their win and between pokes and Kevan, Kevan seemed the most likely to achieve victory to me because of their greater experience and play vigor. So I imitated them. Knowing that Kevan often uses Proposals for their own gain which could try to pluck me out like the parasitic tick I was and that pokes has been warm to collaboration with me before, I allied with him for the mutual goal of keeping me imitating Kevan and help a bit with the votes: he gained because we might not reach an agreement and Kevan would be locked from winning until then, I gained because we might reach an agreement and I get my profit - both of these require me to stay imitating Kevan. So, yeah. Kevan did eventually make a Proposal to get me off him as expected, and while it was easy to bring up a fair argument as to why that Proposal wasn't particularly appealing to the rest of the audience (because it locks them out of playing a good portion of the game, which isn't the funnest thing), I believe that having pokes appear with the support vote helped at least a bit especially because of how bandwagony voting tends to be (I bandwagon quite a bit too admittedly, often in this dynasty out of laziness and to get Proposals out of the queue).

I didn't expect Kevan and pokes (and me) to end up so neck-and-neck in points here, but going for a Distraction attack seemed like a good option to go for to tiebreak the two leaders. I wasn't committed to any of the two yet (even if I was allied with pokes to fend off Kevan's usual Proposal plays, it was already explicit that I may end up making Kevan win), so I negotiated a bit with the two, and ended up going with pokes, and Distracted Kevan a bunch.

And I missed all 3 of my Distractions. 12.5% chance of this absolute worst case scenario for my Distractions. Ugh, lol. -------17:41, 11 August 2020 (UTC)Cuddlebeam (talk)

Kevan

That was interesting for making the core mechanic explicitly random from the start, and the idea that it was possible to propose a selfishly useful Wheel Segment in the hope it would get spun while it was still of any use to you, but I think we lost our way when we added a bunch of "at any time" mechanics which took the game back to faster-trigger-wins timing races, which we ultimately seemed unwilling to step away from (I assume because the lagging players felt that it was all they had left, and enough leading players were relying on those lagging players kingmaking them). The other problem of strategy-stealing was also apparently unremovable through lack of incentives to.

This was another lesson in why Metadynasties are a bad idea. When the test run for the Second Switch started to blur the status of this dynasty (were we playing to win, or just messing around before being switched off?), there was no Emperor to stand up and either make an announcement, or act as ambassador to the Second Switch players and sort something out. --Kevan (talk) 15:33, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Dynastic Histories

Round One - Myke I - Lyndse I - Myke II - Kevan I - Anthony I - Est I - Kevan II - Damanor I - Kevan III - Cayvie I - Josh I - Keitalia I - SatyrEyes I - Metadynasty I - Cayvie II - Brendan I - Kevan IV - Knightking I - Chronos Phaenon I - TrumanCapote I - Knightking II - Quazie I - Simon I - AngryGrasshopper I - Rodney I - Aaron I - Josh II - Metadynasty II - Chronos Phaenon II - Excalabur I - Excalabur II - 75th Trombone I - Elias IX I - Metadynasty III - Angry Grasshopper II - Hix I - Thelonious I - Elias IX II - Rodney II - Clucky I - Doremi I - Chronos Phaenon III - Amnistar I - Clucky II - Amnistar II - Bucky I - Clucky III - Josh III - Kevan V - Hix II - Spikebrennan I - Jack I - Purplebeard I - Rodlen I - Yoda I - Amnistar III - Darknight I - Bucky II - Yoda II - Metadynasty IV - Arthexis I - Amnistar IV - Devenger I - Ais523 I - Ienpw III I - Qwazukee I - Klisz I - Metadynasty V - Bucky III - Wakukee I - Kevan VI - Ais523 II - Josh IV - Purplebeard II - Ais523 III - Ienpw III II - Klisz II - Lilomar I - Coppro I - Ais523 IV - Kevan VII - Brendan II - Alecto I - Josh V - Clucky IV - Purplebeard III - Kevan VIII - Ais523 V - Purplebeard IV - Yoda III - Bucky IV - Kevan IX - Bateleur I - Metadynasty VI - Coppro II - Ais523 VI - Cpt Koen I - Southpointingchariot I - Josh VI - Scshunt III - Quirck I - Clucky V - Bucky V - Kevan X - Josh VII - Kevan XI - Scshunt IV - RaichuKFM I - Larrytheturtle I - Skju I - Metadynasty VII - Purplebeard V - Spitemaster I - Josh VIII - RaichuKFM II - The Alien I - Benzene I - RaichuKFM III - Purplebeard VI - Kevan XII - Ayesdeeef I - Bucky VI - Kevan XIII - Josh IX - Mideg I - Kevan XIV - Brendan III - Kevan XV - Tantusar I - Josh X - Kevan XVI - Thrawn I - Brendan IV - Kevan XVII - Moonroof I - RaichuKFM IV - Larrytheturtle II - Brendan V - Kevan XVIII - Brendan VI - RaichuKFM V - Kevan XIX - Brendan VII - Kevan XX - Viv I - Pokes I - Sphinx I - Cuddlebeam I - Pokes II - Cuddlebeam II - Metadynasty VIII - Axemabaro I - Diabecko I - Kevan XXI - Diabecko & Card I - Kevan XXII - Derrick I - Card I - Cuddlebeam III - Card II - Kevan XXIII - Pokes III - Kevan XXIV - Trigon I - Derrick II - Kevan XXV - Derrick III - Farsight I - TyGuy6 I - Pokes IV - Cuddlebeam IV - TyGuy6 II - Kevan XXVI - The Duke of Waltham I - Josh XI - Clucky VI - Naught I - Metadynasty IX - 75th Trombone II - Kevan XXVII - Josh XII